Village Idiot

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  Bible Christianity is Holy baloney

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
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  underpinning all the claims of the jw org is a belief in the sanctity of the bible as gods word.

  this holy assumption is certainly never challenged by the watchtower and neither does the believer dare to use critical thinking to evaluate the source of his or her beliefs.

  the watchtower org, for obvious reasons would not do this as they would need to sell up and hand back the money were they to admit that the bible is just a piece of literature and not divine in origin.

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  cofty:

  "I have always taken the view that there was a Jesus of history. Now I'm not so sure. His new 700 page book "On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt" is on my wish list."

  I'm sure the same logic can be applied to Mohammed and other leaders who started their respective religions.

  I have not read Richard Carrier's book but if he follows that same logic as others who say the same thing then he is questioning the existence of Jesus simply because he was mythologized by his early followers. So what if Jesus is pictured as a pagan demi-god? The same thing could happen to any other charismatic leader that actually existed.
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  Are we going to see a mass awakening?

  by kairos in

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  2. friends

  the internet is the archive for civilization.. watchtower cannot hide it's history.. are we seeing the beginning of a mass exodus out of her?.

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  sir82: "After all that......What, exactly, would prompt this "mass awakening"?"

  It may not be a "mass awakening" but if only 10% leave it will be due to the money grabbing by the organization. That would lead them to start researching TTATT. We've already seen an upsurge of ex-JWs in and out of the organization here on this site.
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  Bible Christianity is Holy baloney

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  underpinning all the claims of the jw org is a belief in the sanctity of the bible as gods word.

  this holy assumption is certainly never challenged by the watchtower and neither does the believer dare to use critical thinking to evaluate the source of his or her beliefs.

  the watchtower org, for obvious reasons would not do this as they would need to sell up and hand back the money were they to admit that the bible is just a piece of literature and not divine in origin.

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  Half banana: "...I have little doubt now that Jesus is a fabrication..."

  I disagree. Cults like Christianity do not invent leaders. Their members won't have the imagination to do so. That Jesus was mythologized is obvious. That 'pagan' texts were used to that purpose is also obvious. But it takes a charismatic leader to jumpstart a religion.

  Would you also believe that Mohammed was made up by the first Muslims? I'm sure you can find evidence that he too was mythologized but that doesn't mean that he did not exist.
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  Are we going to see a mass awakening?

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the internet is the archive for civilization.. watchtower cannot hide it's history.. are we seeing the beginning of a mass exodus out of her?.

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  The up surge in JWD members is an indication of an awakening, no matter how small compared to their membership numbers. I believe that a good percentage of JWs (~10%?) might leave the organization over recent events. That would create a massive upsurge in newbies on this site.
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  The 'Message" is spread into 700 languages...SO WHAT??? Big Deal!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know how the org goes on and on about how the "preaching work" takes place in so many languages by the website?.

  they also trumpet the fact that witnesses are in "sooooo many lands and nations"....... so what!.

  just because the message is spread far and wide, does not mean the content of the message is correct or of value.. take the example of coca-cola or mcdonalds.... these products are in nearly every nation around the world....but does that mean they are beneficial or healthy?

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  I remember, back in the 1970s, having a collection of 60 some Truth books each in a different language. I believe there were over a 100 translations that the Watchtower had. I tossed them after my disfellowshipping.
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  Neanderthal man

  by scary21 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

  he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

  i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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  Cofty, thank you for the correction. There has been some confusion and a change of nomenclature regarding those names.
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  Neanderthal man

  by scary21 in

  1. jw
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  my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

  he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

  i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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  cofty:

  "Why should we believe you rather than expert geneticists who can explain the specific differences that separate Homo neanderthalis from Homo sapien?"

  Cofty, while Neandertal is different than us he can still be considered 'human' in a more general sense of the word. Again, the use of the word human is somewhat arbitrary but that is why scientists use the word "Hominid" to refer to the family tree of humanity.

  Perry on the other hand doesn't seem to realize that Neandertal is different enough from us to support evolutionary thinking. And then there's Homo Heidelbergensis, Homo Antecessor and Homo Erectus which he doesn't bring up since they don't fit into the Creationist mold.
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  Neanderthal man

  by scary21 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

  he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

  i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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  Village Idiot

  Just as a note, the spelling Neanderthal has been changed to Neandertal without the "h".
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  Neanderthal man

  by scary21 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

  he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

  i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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  Village Idiot

  It should be noted that there are 'apes' like Australopithecine that walk upright like the Hominids that are descended from them.

  As far as humans being apes there has to be a line of separation drawn between the two like the line that distinguishes apes from monkeys. The cumulative differences between us and our ancestors from apes is too great to share a common term.
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  Neanderthal man

  by scary21 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

  he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

  i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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  Village Idiot

  LoveUniHateExams:

  Homo Erectus, an ancestor to the Governing Body? - possibly the picture on the left is. I can now see where Brother Lett gets his facial expressions from.

  But the picture on the right is the "mother" organization.